Doorbell Installation and Repair Problems Q&A
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I recently replaced the door bell button at the front door. The old button worked fine, but was coming loose from the wall. Being that it was plastic, I spent some extra money and bought a nice brass button.
There is a red and white wire coming out of the wall. The directions with the new button state to "attach the wires and mount the unit to the wall." I attached the wires and thought I would give it a try before mounting it.
Here's the problem. After attaching the wires, I pushed the button to see if it worked. It did, as long as I kept my finger on the button. As soon as I let go, it stops. Reversing the wires didn't help either. Help!
JP, Tampa Fl
You must have an electronic chime, a programmable doorbell type that plays music and lets you change songs or tones. Electronic chimes require a diode across the doorbell button terminals (which is supplied when you purchase the doorbell). If this is the case, you probably threw away the diode with the old button.
Here is a link to instructions on Musicaldoorbell.com to one brand that discusses the diode: http://www.musicaldoorbell.com/howtoexisting.htm
I don't know for sure if these diodes are "universal" across manufacturers, so take the cover of your doorbell and do a little brand-specific research to be sure you get the correct diode.
When I push my door bell button, it just makes this continuous noise, a light noise like.....hummmmm... like it's stuck! And you have to keep hitting it to make it stop! I went to the store and they told me it sounded like all that I needed was a new push button. I tried that and it still makes that continuous noise, so that wasn't the problem. Do you think it might be in the doorbell itself (inside on the wall) ?
By the way, I have 2 doorbells, one at the front door and one at the back door, the one at the back door is working fine.
The front and rear bells do not always share the same solenoid (a type of magnet that "momentarily" moves a piston or a switch when charged with electricity) and "clapper" within the doorbell. This means that the front bell can be defective while the rear works fine. However, I am sorry to say that there is no economical way to repair common, inexpensive "bread and butter" doorbells. They must be replaced.
When you purchase your replacement, take the old doorbell with you for sizing purposes, or at least measure it before you go shopping. Then you will not have an unpainted or unwallpapered spot on the wall by inadvertently purchasing a doorbell with too small a "footprint"!
I did a very foolish thing. I unwired my doorbell and did not label the wires! Now I can't figure out how to hook them up. I have a single door bell with no back door button. It is 40 years old and works on 10 volts. There are two black wires and two white wires coming out of the wall where the door chimes are mounted. The two white wires are twisted together. The two black wires are separate.
The door bell fixture has three screws that the wires are attached to. The center screw is labeled "trans". The left screw is labeled "front" and right screw is labeled "rear". The transformer is located in a closet some distance from the fixture I have just described. Where do I put the black wires and where do I put the two twisted together white wires? I sure hope I have made this clear.
Bad JD! Go stand in the corner! Hmmmm. Alright... back to work. I can't be too hard on you... I have walked that road myself (and will undoubtedly walk it again).
If your installation is "standard" for one doorbell, the wiring configuration is as follows:
One of the black wires comes directly from the transformer... the doorbell's source of electric power. The second black wire comes from the doorbell button. The twisted pair of white wires are from the (1) other terminal of the transformer and (2) from the second terminal of the doorbell button.
The two black wires are attached to the "trans" (transformer) terminal on the doorbell unit and to the "front" or front doorbell terminal. The "back" or backdoor terminal could be used instead of the "front". All two-button units will give you different rings for the front and rear buttons so you know which door your visitors (or travelling salesman) are at! "Front" is typically two rings and "rear" is typically one ring on many common, inexpensive mechanical doorbells. Then again, yours could play "Hold On, I'm Coming" by Sam and Dave for the front and "Back Door Man" by the Doors for the rear!
On a one-button doorbell system it doesn't make a difference which terminal you attach which black wire. I won't get technical here... the simple explanation is that doorbells operate on low voltage AC power, so there is no "positive" or "negative" terminal.
Of course, this would not work if you had 3 black wires for a front and rear doorbell installation. In that case you would have to determine which black wire was the transformer wire using a voltmeter set to the AC setting... too many possible wrong combinations to waste time guessing! Touch one voltmeter probe to the paired wires and the other probe to the black wires, one at a time. The black wire that gives you the appropriate reading (in your case around 10 volts) is the lead from the transformer and should be attached to the "trans" terminal of the doorbell unit.
No… I didn't forget the twisted pair of white wires. They don't need to be connected to anything other than each other (how romantic!). Make sure they are held together with a wire nut so they don't accidentally come loose.
Hope this is helpful… and not too confusing!
There is only one doorbell in my house and when I am in the basement I can not hear the doorbell. It would be very easy to pull wires from the existing doorbell to the basement and mount another bell. My question is two fold:
1. Is it possible to run two doorbells on the same transformer and button. If so, please send me a schematic for the wiring.
2. If this is not possible please suggest the best and most cost effective way to solve my problem.
Thanks for your help and your web page,
DH from Thornton, Colorado
Fortunately, this is not a difficult project. Actually, I am surprised that with the emergence of the "Godzilla-sized" home multiple doorbells have not become "de rigueur". I think it would be rather nifty to have a number of more mellow-sounding tones ringing throughout the house than one brash, brain-scrambling ding-dong from the portal. Anyway…
If you remove the cover from the doorbell, you will see three screw terminals. One is for the front door button, one is for the rear door button, and one is for the transformer. There are other wires that are connected either in the wall behind the unit, or elsewhere, but you need not be concerned with them. They are the direct connection between the transformer and the doorbell buttons, providing power to the buttons all the time so that you can, at your option, use lighted buttons.
To connect your second doorbell, just snake a wire to the existing doorbell unit... the hardest part of the job for sure!! The wire should have two or three leads, depending on whether you want the doorbell to ring for just the front or rear (two leads) or both (three leads). There is a generic wire that is called bell wire. You may also use a heavier gauge wire if you prefer.
Connect one lead to the front terminal, and one to the transformer terminal. Run these wires to the other doorbell, and connect them to the corresponding terminals. That's it! Now try to ring the doorbell.
If it rings OK, you are done. If you find that the ringing is incomplete or muffled, then you may need to upgrade the transformer (another road trip) to the next higher voltage above the recommended size for the new doorbell. The specifications will be in the documentation for the new doorbell. If you bring this information, including the size of your current transformer to the hardware store, they should be able to provide you with the correct product.
My doorbell no longer rings. The doorbell button outside the front door is no longer lit (it was when the doorbell was working). There are no breakers tripped in the breaker box. I replaced the doorbell button, but the new one does not light up either - and the doorbell still does not work. Before I go and purchase a new unit I thought I would ask you first. Any thoughts?
CH from Roundrock, Texas
The first thing to do would be to make sure you are receiving electrical power at the doorbell unit. You will have to test the transformer that supplies power to the doorbell. The transformer reduces the 120v AC electrical power down to around 14v AC to operate the doorbell. You can do this test without locating it by simply testing the wiring at the doorbell unit itself.
Take the cover off the doorbell unit and take note of the wiring layout. There should be two or three wires attached to terminals on the doorbell. One will be labeled "T" or Trans for transformer. The other one or two will be labeled either Front or Back, referring to the front and back doorbell buttons.
You should also see a few additional wires attached together. Be aware that sometimes there is not enough room under the doorbell unit cover, so these extra wires may be stuffed into the wall behind the unit, requiring you to take the unit down from the wall to get at them. These are the wires that complete the connection between the doorbell buttons and the transformer, forming a complete wiring circuit. When the doorbell button is pushed, power flows from the transformer, through the button, and through the chime mechanism, activating a solenoid electromagnet which moves a steel rod. The rod strikes the metal chimes, producing the notorious doorbell "ding" or "dong"... or activates a digital tone instead.
Remove the electrical tape and/or wire nut on these (hidden) second wires. (Note that only one of them is connected to the transformer, so keep the bundle together or you will have to probe each of them in the following test.) Using a voltmeter set to the lowest AC setting above 20 volts, touch one probe to the second wire bundle and the other to the wire labeled Trans... you need not disconnect it from the doorbell.
If there is a reading of 10 or more volts, the transformer is OK. To make a final test of the doorbell unit, touch the second wires to the front and/or rear terminals on the doorbell unit. If there is a chime, then you have a problem in the wiring of the button(s).
If there is no power reading, you must locate the transformer and test it directly. This can be a chore... sometimes you can trace the wires back to the transformer from either the doorbell unit or from one of the buttons. The transformer can be attached to the outside of an electrical box or even to the outside of your main electrical panel. You worst nightmare will be that you have a beautifully finished drywall ceiling in the basement… and someone sealed the transformer underneath without leaving an access panel.
Once you locate the transformer, test it again as earlier, but directly on the two terminals. If there is still no reading, replace the transformer with the same voltage level. If there is power at the transformer but no power at the doorbell unit, you may have a broken or disconnected wire. Check all your wiring and connections to be sure there are no loose or mouse-eaten wires.
If you need to replace the transformer, be sure to have the power off to the box to which it is attached. Even though the output from the transformer is not a great shock hazard, the input to it from your homes wiring can pack a deadly punch!